[SC] Discussion of Tartarus

Tartarus' speed is actually overpowered. It deals instead of 0 damage the full damage, because the hunted players can escape from Goliath. It can decide when it want to fight. Tartarus neutralizes its weakness against Ufe Goliaths with the possibility to run away.

But IMO it doesn't matter. Ufe can pop every newbe with Vengeance, Surgeon,...
Therefore Tartarus doesn't affect the (un-)balance of D O-

 

Tartarus

25

914

22850

914 killed so far and counting

What's the problem?

-FT

 

In the past DO featured two Primary Ships:

1. Goli (Most Powerful) - but not the fastest.
2. Vengi (Fastest) - but quite weaker than Goli.

So players had a choice to use either suiting their tactic - A Goli could win against a Vengi in a straight 1v1 but couldn't chase/match it's speed. Similarly a Vengi could easily outrun a Goli when needed but not win a direct 1v1. Neither was completely dominating - it was a decent balance.

Then came the Pusat which affected this balance, with it's massive fire-power & further increase in speed (588) - about 33% increase compared to previous speed difference between Goli & Vengi. Still it was weaker than Goli due to lower HP and thereby, maintained some balance.

Now we have Tartarus with a max. speed of 621 (with Speed Boost). That's about 225% increase compared to previous speed difference between Goli & Vengi. Not only is it the Fastest ship in the Game but also the most Powerful. (comparable to Goli)

Tartarus makes Vengi, Pusat & Spearhead almost obsolete. It actually makes all other ships quite useless or ineffective for PvP. Because now you've one ship that's the Fastest (by a huge margin) + Strongest. A Tartarus can choose to escape whenever he wants & quickly come back with healed HP & Shields. It would make most Skill design's ability useless by just staying out of range for its duration.

I don't get the idea of making a ship that's not only the Fastest of all but also the Strongest (comparable to Goli). That's like ruining every other ship in the game.

If tomorrow Developers decide to introduce LF-5 (with 30% more damage than LF-4) but make it restrictive to only top 20 or 30 players in the server. Going by your logic (& some other people in this thread), it wouldn't be unfair nor would those 20/30 players be over-powered at all. Because either way, they won't be invincible & you (rest of the server) will manage to get their kills some time.
While being ignorant of the fact that they will be having an extremely high kill ratio.

On a side note, may I ask in how many of those kills were you 'all alone' & how many were a group effort/fight.

Anyways, there's a big difference between invincible & over-powered.

 

.Wagon. everyone who talks like this just starts typing and doesn't even read any other posts. you say "Fastest (by a huge margin) + Strongest". How can you say it's the strongest when it has less lazers slots that pusat and goli? Can you count? I don't think so Pusat 16 lazers, Goli 15 lazers, Tartarus 14 lazers so please tell me how the tartarus is stronger?

 

The ship's turbo ablility's speedbonus should be reduced by 50% in combat.Now noob ufe players using this ship only because they cant fight in other ships.They just ran away when their hp is low.Normal ship users(like goli or aegis) like myself just wasting ammo on them.

 

So the your saying a gold vengy should not be able to use turbo boost to get away from enemy's in pvp battles also right? Or spearhead should not be able to use ultimate cloak either? I think all of this is just simply you don't have the equipment or the skill to have what it takes to kill a tartarus. Also if the Tartarus is such a OP ship why are you not flying in one then? My guess would be cause you don't have one, and if you did it's a ship with no upgrades.

 

I have a ufe ship,with all ships including tartarus.On my server noob clans that cant fight used pusat in the past only because its speed,now they use tartarus.The only thing me and my whole clan use that ship is to pick up boxes on spaceball with pet.And spearhead cant use its ultimate cloak in combat in case u didnt know.

 

Dear .†ι¢є_gяιмσιяє†., if only had you read my post carefully. 'Strongest' has nothing to do with the fire-power (alone). Pusat has 16 Lasers, a Goli does 15. That doesn't make Pusat 'Stronger' than Goli, does it?

Unlike Pusat (125k HP), the Tartarus has 260k HP compared to Goli's 256k HP. That somewhat compensates for Tartarus's 14 Laser slots compared to 15 in Goli (Rest all being equal). I also mentioned "comparable to Goli" (in case you missed it).

However, an important factor being the Speed. Goli has 540 max. speed while Tartarus has 621 max. speed i.e. faster than any other ship. Tartarus can out run & catch any other ship in the game. When fighting a Goli - Tartarus can easily out-run it, rep. & be back in fight and continue to do the same. (The vice-versa isn't possible under most practical circumstances)

So looking at the entire picture, Tartarus is actually the Strongest ship in the game. Although it 'may' not be stronger than a Goli in direct 1v1, but using the speed it can quite easily Win or Escape.

Lacking a single Laser slot (while rest everything being equal) is hardly a significant difference. The config. used matters, not everybody runs Full LF-4 in Drones config.

Edit: You're also overlooking the fact that Tartarus is being miss-used by the players in similar ways that Pusat is miss-used for it's speed. The only difference being that Tartarus is similar to a Goli with even greater speed than Pusat.

It is used to hunt weaker players/newbies & it's speed is being abused by cowards & noobs. There needs to be a balance in the speed difference between the fastest & the strongest ship.

And it's stupidity to have the fastest ship also being the strongest (or similar to the strongest). Right now Tartarus just ruins the balance completely.

 

I kinda get what your saying but if you think about it how can the tartarus run and repair before someone in a goli can? It sounds like it's this incredible ship with unstoppable repairing ability's. Both would be the same for repairing one ship can't repair faster than the other just cause of it's speed right.

 

Most smaller players in my server use spectrum more than tartarus to keep safe just cause i think the ability lasts too long and stops much damage so they usually have enough time to get away to portal or to jump portal, and yes they can get stopped by freeze rockets and dcr rockets and slow mines but so can the tartarus.

 

People keep talking about how over-powered the Tartarus is and then keep forgetting about how DCR's, Ice rockets, and slo mines counter them. Heck you can even use the blue goliath that has the ice rocket ability so you can double ice rocket them as well. There are counter strategies but it sounds like you players who are claiming them to be over powered are not trying to change your tactics up or trying hard enough. It is possible to kill Tartarus 1v1 with a goliath. Someone in here says that they can just outrun the goliath when goliath ability is activated. They cannot outrun the ice rocket ability of the blue goliath. Be smart, don't just ice them right away. Ice them when they get low enough HP and and keep em their with your other consumables to finish them off. If you are worried about the ice rockets not hitting everytime, use a precision targeter.

 

You're right, but there are few problems. With PET Combo rep. a Tartarus can gain quick HP & return to fight quickly, the only way for the Goli to counter this would be to use PET combo rep. as soon as he can. Which is not always the case cos a Goli with ~50% HP chasing a Tartarus with ~10% HP will often not bother using PET rep. until quite some time.

Also, a smart Tartarus can use his PET - if you're running in-between a combat & put PET in 'attack mode', your PET would shoot the attacker for a while when you're out of his range. If used effectively, this could delay Goli's rep time. (Although it can be countered - if the Goli attacks Tartarus's PET)

The point being, a Tartarus would be better prepared to quickly heal & return to combat. A Goli usually would not, especially if he's winning. It's sad if I've to keep using PET rep. everytime my enemy escapes with low HP. The fact is if you can outrun the enemy, you'll always be at a significant advantage.

I hope people don't forget that whatever you can use to kill (slow) Tartarus (DCR, Ice rockets, etc.), it can use the same on you & because of it's speed, those items would be more effective for Tartarus than they'd be for you.

 

I'm a solo ship hunter, I don't do well in groups

All the top players on GA1 and I do mean ALL top 50 are in my log as I'm sure I'm in most of theirs as well..

Game on!!

Oh ya, here's a new count for ya

Tartarus

25

933

23325

Once you take the time to learn the weakness of the ship.. the kills become easier.. just sayin'


-FT

 

Tartarus

25

166

4150

Damn i have the same count haha But 1 question why do I only get 166 per kill and you get 933?

 

It's apparent that all these people complaining about the Tart, 1. Don't have the equipment. 2. Don't have the skill or 3. Too
dam lazy or 4.Too cheap to kill the ship

The Tart pops quite easily if your a halfway descent pilot. However, Its not the cheap quick kill some of us have gotten use too
If the person flying a Tart is very skilled and UFE in most cases he wont pop unless he makes a mistake. I believe thats part of
the frustration some are having. EX: I've had more Captain Kirk moments with this ship than in all my 8 going on 9 yrs playing
this game. In most cases you can't just kill a Skilled UFE Tart with brute strength alone sometimes you have to finesse the kill

People keep wondering why DO put a ship like the TART in the game. Well its quite simple really. To have these so called OP
that some are complaining about you have to pay real money. Because without UFE,prem,rebate,emps,techs,double booster
including cool downs,ice rockets, dcrs, 50cloaks,rsb,x-4 etc the Tart is not too effective in pvp. The Tart in my opinion is the
most expensive and most exciting ship to fly in the game. This ship eats consumables at an alarming rate but it has to, to have
it's godlike powers

 

I think you should mean a tartarus is worth 25 per kill and `°ƒµll·†Ħгô††lє°´ got 933 while you got 166 so you don't have the same kill count either

 

Yeah i see that looks like i better get on trying to catch up lol. As i said there are not that many players using tartarus in GA3 most of them chose spectrum.

 

good discussions

 

The Spectrum is a similar type kill, you need to slow it down

But Spectrum is not what this thread is about.

-FT