[UI] Stop the upgrades, give us sidegrades!

Sup lads,

This is probably never going to work (as with hundreds of ideas on this forum) but I recon that if I make this topic at least nobody can say we didn't try.

Anyway, with the new and even more powerfull LF4 (no wait LF5 lasers with a disguise), the ones that I hoped would bring TACTICAL GAMEPLAY, instead of just raw damage, are once again being forgotten. I'm talking about the scatterlasers, the spectral lancers and the fusion shields.

I think all of these weapons / shields supply us with a new way of playing, for example:

The fusion shields repair MUCH faster, this could be good for a hit and run tactic, hit your enemy has hard as you can and as soon as you lose your shield, take of to repair and then come back again. Nonetheless, it is going to be crushed by the upcoming b03.

The scatterlasers (or shotgunlasers as I prefer to call them) can be great for hit and run tactics to, supplying faster and weaker ships (excluding the bloody tartarus) with a mighty punch. For example, use them against slower ships, and get out of range while the laser is charging its powerfull shot again, then after the 5 seconds cooldown, go back in. Though this may not seem easy, if done right you can theoratically easily outdamage people using the regular LF4's

And it is these kind of tactics that could make the game interesting. Just like with the
'class-based-gameplay', each class excels in one thing and is usefull for that thing!.

Nonetheless, the LF5 lasers that have been released, are crushing these tactics and force us to go back to raw damage and bigger and better once more.

To make things worse; upgrades for LF4, b02 and rocket launchers are useless now, I strongly recommend to stop upgrading anything except drones, as new shields and rocketlaunchers will be released to.

We need SIDEGRADES darkorbit, not UPGRADES. Make money with cosmetics.


Facts:

Spearhead
Status: crushed by Pusat, mimesis


Pusat:
Status: crushed by Tartarus


LF3:
Status: crushed by LF4


LF4, scatterlasers and spectral lancers:
Status: crushed by LF5 with disguise


Aegis:
Status: mostly crushed by Hammerclaw


Venom:
Status: crushed by Cyborg


Future Facts:

B02:
Status: crushed by B03 with disguise

Rocket launchers:
Status: crushed by Lasermachineguns???


Where are we going lol....

 

Honestly,the upcoming BO3 would make hercules absolutely useless because the fight would way too long.
R.I.P. people's hard work and/or money.

 

Ring already made fights much longer, so much peeps flying around with 1 - 2 million shields, people may not notice it but a lot of ammo is going to waste. In fact I see SO MANY people who just do not bother to shoot ring citadels or spectrums anymore.

Bigpoint is clever, they know how to make money, that's for sure I would suppose...

 

1)People do notice it.It's just that they can't do anything about it.
2)Not sure about citadels(since rarely anyone flies on that) but i and a lot of other people i know do not shoot sprectrums because the person behind the screen has such a big ego that will activate that freaking OP ability so they will not die."So what if you die dude?You can repair your drones anytime with the thousands of repair credits you have."
3)The sarcasm is real.+1

 

lol XD, I want to go back to the old days, without pusat, surgeon, ring, diamond, massive EP boosts, tartarus, drill, wheel, LF5's and what not. Oh and your're right, we can't do anything about it. I would have hoped OP32 or other new developers would be able to make some big changes but I guess this is just the way this game is designed:


''Play more? Pay more!''

 

Pay to Play the way D O has been going ever since the RELOADED and the reason so many players left the game at that time.

 

I had a question about the LF-4-PD . Does it not upgrade? I got one in the Event Mission but when I checked the upgade screen it doesn't show up?

 

Its hard to put tatics in a d2 game were u lock your oponent to shoot, it would work better if they made it so u had to aim to your oponent.

Anyway they dont understand this obsuleting strategy they use to force us to buy new things will get them nowere.

About making money from cosmetics they would have to take the game back to 2010 in order to get the population needed for that to work.

"I want to go back to the old days" U and everyone that is not a ufe flax player killer like some random noob full az (but no havoks??) trying to kill people with 1 flax in lowers yesterday hahahahahah
But i have a plan:
Get me a delorean !!!!

 

I guess so to.

As for now, they cannot be upgraded indeed.

 

These are supposedly delivering the same as a FULLY Upgraded LF-4 so YES they are not Upgradeable. This was done as some people making the conversion would be losing the upgrades they have already paid for.

 

While I definitely agree with the idea of the thread, going off what a developer has said on Discord before there might already be plans to do more "sidegrades"(though guess kinda moot point since it is not official) but yes by the sounds of it making further pure damage "upgrades" are still on the table for the future. Which make no mistake I don't totally like the idea of it, but increasing damage is a sure way to make something "new" that players will want to go after getting.

I think what is the most important thing is to keep the "sidegrades" relevant to the just pure damage variant of a weapon, then there is making sure you can get damage upgrades by just playing the game. Sure can let players spend some money to speed the process of getting it, but if don't spend it shouldn't take forever/way too long to get.


If BP finds the right balance then the impact of damage upgrades should not be that much, but that being said damage upgrades should not come every few months or so. More like just a long period between them, because make no mistake this is a obvious cash grab and players don't like to keep seeing that.

*Although I think Scatter laser was not something they totally thought through or at least the implementation of it(craft material needed). Or they just wanted to do it differently, as in the next "burst damage" laser could be another "enhanced LF4".

At least that is what I understood from what a developer has said on Discord before, but who knows they might change their mind about trying to forget about Scatter lasers totally.

That is not entirely correct, without taking into consideration any bonuses the new enhanced lasers have they do the same damage as Lv16 LF4's(212 dmg). Though for Paritydrill and Magmadrill they have a bonus which gives an extra 5 damage(bringing it to 217 dmg) to aliens(Parity) or other players(Magma), only Hyperplasmoid just does the same damage as a Lv16 LF4.

Also going off what has been said on past Twitch streams/Discord by a developer or community manger, the enhanced lasers should eventually be able to be upgraded. You may also want to save upgraded LF4's for when you can upgrade the new enhanced LF4's, although instead of dragging my post on more I'll just put the specifics of it in a spoiler.


After all this thread isn't exactly about this and I don't want to drag this on much more, making my post longer. (I'll also admit that I took a while to think about the thread topic so I can add my thoughts about it, so then my post isn't just this lol(reading back the start of it sounded kind of weird though...))

(also yes this is just a copy/paste of a post I've made before, but instead of typing it again thought may as well just copy/paste it)

Spoiler

The new enhanced LF4's are not currently upgradeable, but sometime in the future they are planned to be able to be upgraded by disenchanting items. I'd recommend keeping upgraded LF4's for when can upgrade the new enhanced LF4's, since it has been said upgraded LF4's will help more than unupgraded LF4's to upgrade the new enhanced LF4's(not sure if it has been said lv16 will be what they can be upgraded to).

Keep in mind this is still not totally official that this is how the new enhanced LF4's will be upgraded or if they even will eventually be able to be upgraded(I'd assume they will though), this is just going off what a developer has said on Discord/Twitch streams on this but they might/can still change their mind about it.

 

Increasing the power was the major reason for population decrease (starting with bio). Devs must realize that this game was not design to deal with increasing power as there is no separation between new and veteran players thus u end up with what we have now were some coward players abuse the lack of moderation in the game.
That being said devs:
a) Fix this and then they are compleatly free to release watever lf438763734 they whant.
b) Dont fix this and instead sell cosmetics (but for this they need to make the game f2p, take theyer beloved chance factor out of the game and put it on cosmetics like tf2).
c)They dont fix it, keep releaseing more power creep and the game stays with the exact same population, the exact same pay to win status and wont become a famous game like tf2 or lol.

 

Which there doing anyway now XD

 

Not if they are using the non upgraded LF-4's as suggested in the original FAQ.

 

True but in the long term, you will have to replace all of your upgraded LF4's with the new enhanced ones, which makes them a waste anyway. You might as well have saved all that uridium to obtain the new LF4's faster or upgrade something else or buy ammo or invest it in pilot bio or...

 

This could be said about the entire game play in D O. Original PET stuff was timed use, Hangars were bought (now just assigned ships), FE was full Bio and Equipment now have to have ALL LF-4 and Havoc/Herc, Formations, Apis, Zeus, Full Upgrades, and play G G's instead of helping new players to learn the game. We used to have to buy Basic Ships to use Designs now you buy the Design and get the ship for free.

 

I agree with hangar cost and ship and stuff but lets be honest, having to upgrade 45 lf4 to lvl 16, cost A TON OF URIDIUM, the difference is much bigger compared with other increased or wasted costs.

But I guess we can learn from the past indeed, I already stopped upgrading anything because new rocketlaunchers are comming soon, new shields are comming soon, no need for me to invest that tons of uridium just to invest more tons of uridium to get the new stuff.

We will be stuck with these new enhanced LF4's for a while, (considering it takes so damn long to get all of them), Ill just wait for the b03 and new rocketlauncher and then I start upgrading those.

You've all been face slapped by darkorbit upgrade peeps

 

In short:
It used to be easy and simple.
Now it's hard and complicated.
Why? - More money!

 

Right after you get them all updated you will find there is another NEW item to be upgraded.

IF you have not figured it out by now it will NEVER END.

 

I remember posting an idea that offered a process to transfer upgrades from item to item, perhaps that idea should be considered a little more carefully now than it was by the forum of that time.