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When will I be able to enjoy my account?

I have 30 LF4, I have 10 havock, I have apis and zeus. I have most vants formations. I have 39 Research Points. But in spite of everything, I can not enjoy my account, because the ammunition is over. It takes 4-5 hours to build a gate like alpha, beta or gamma, and that ammunition cost me 4-5 hours of boring palladium, and 1 boring hour of playing the door, so that the ammunition I got is over in 1 hour . Tell me, do you think that benefits the game ?, Do you think that new users who come to the game are excited to know that to fight an hour have to spend 5 hours in palladium ?.

Do not get me wrong, I like PvE, I believe it is essential for the game ... but it would be just 30 minutes PvE - to enjoy at least 30 minutes of PvP, but 5 hours of picking up stones for 1 hour of PvP is too much imbalance.

So my question continues ... when, OP32, will I be able to enjoy my account?

 

if you have 30 LF4 and 10 Havock then you should have lots of ammo to spear sounds like you waste you ammo or some one else put the work in to get all your gear
With your gear go cube with x2 ammo most cube maps are empty (well on my server) x-2 ammo and kami will give you better results that picking up rocks 3 minutes a cube thats 20k uri a hour that 80-85k uri that should give you almost 10 GG spins vs 1 load of pally gives you 2 spins at 100

 

The OP directs this to OP32 like he makes the game. OP32 is our liaison to help the devs understand what we need. First thing we need is the bugs fixed. You have all those LF4 and have issues getting ammo? You want ammo without work? Pay. Its the only other option. This is not a PVP free for all. If you want that, get you a console game to play. This is DO, where you work for everything. You work to build a gate, then you work to do the gate, then you work to get your kills. Refresh and do it all over again. This is what happens when players get closer to, or get, UFE status. They are in a rush to kill kill kill and loose patience for anything else. I understand that you are at the point where rank is probably the only thing you are really working towards. It will be interesting to see if I can get there in a few years, being realistic. Relax and enjoy the ride.

 

x4 ammo is pretty easy to get lol-

 

So with rebate and GG discount days on weekend never been easier to get ammo. you about break even in uri spent to open gates and complete them this works on ABG gates hell some weekends i can turn a profit

 

30min PVE cubikon is 30k ur
x3 to shoot boss kristallon is around 16k ur

1,05k for 30min pro booster

if u fight 20% of time in that 30min thats 6min of raw fight
12600 x4 = 1 hades cca 10k ur
3150 rsb = 11025 ur
10 emp = 3500ur

overall its around 60-90min PVE for 30min PVP.


This game is actually beautyful is you understand it. Biggest problem is that people don't understand how to play it.
1vs1 is waste of ammo because fight usually going ring on ring, 2 rest for repair and cost ton of uridium on the end.
Going solo for make a play is usually suicide if you go 1vs3 you will get one low but need to run couse u are low too = waste of ammo and uridium.

2 juice/1 beer=7 days of rabat, you buy it every 2-3 weeks after you colect uridium so you can spend it and rotate.
Palladium is good option for start rotate because you have nothing to start with, no uridium, no ammo, 1EE will give you around 63 uridium after you spin it in alpha beta gamma.

303.160	X2
119.860	x3
17.940	x4
92.300	sab
5.772	plt2021
468	acm01
5.200	clicks used

This ammo you get to spin gate, 4 alpha 2 beta 1 gamma is average you close and lose around 50k uridium(premium, rabat, weekend discount) for it and you need to spend around 5200 clicks for it and you also get 220k x4. If you use x4 on kristallon and sibelon yu will spend around 70% of reward so around 60k will left to you for work with.

You need around 2800 x2 for kill cubikon/boss kristallon, from x2 and x3 ammo you get back from gate you are able to kill around 170 cubikon/boss kristallon thats 87k-174k uridium, so you are in plus 37-124k uridium and have 80k x4 for whatever you want.

If you do one weeknd when is discount like 8 hours of gates 2 days thats 16h of play you can do almost triple I wrote above.

909.480	X2
359.580	x3
233.820	x4
276.900	sab
17.316	plt2021
1.404	acm01
15.600	clicks

This is after 3 rotation and lose of 150k uridium.
x2 and x3 will give you around 264-529k uridium depend do you shoot kristallon or cubikon so 114-379k uridium in plus.


Hades
You go around 10k per gate so to lose 150k as in alpha beta gamma you must do 15 hades thats if all of you shoot x4 you should get around 2-3k per gate.

670.450	X2
265.075	x3
80.000	x4
204.125	sab
12.765	plt2021
1.035	acm01
11.500	clicks

x4 included in table.

x2 and x3 will give you around 195-390k uridium depend do you shoot kristallon or cubikon so 45-240k uridium in plus.

Hades isn't that great as you can see but 15 hades you will do in like 4 hours whats 4 times faster, hades whould be faster rotation and you must have more uridium ready for 16 hours of play but potentionaly you will get more for same around of time even it cost you more.

As you progres in game you must doing bigger and bigger rotation of ammo and uridium so you don't need worry about it anymore, right now I sit on 60m x2 thats enough for 10-20m uridium.

P.S. SAY NO TO PALLADIUM

 

Finally someone with a brain out there.

To all those people conplaining about how expensive this game is.... u guys should read this post, maybe u guys can learn a thing or 2....

 

This is how you should play if you don't play "for fun" you just come in game to relax kill few ships or do 1-2 low gate with friends or kill some npc.
This is kinda pro approach if you wanna be high on rank and jump in fight every time you get poke on ts enemy here, enemy there.

People don't understand play for free meaning, if you really play for free you are basicly npc killer and thats about it. You must have at least premium for 2nd bar so you can play PVP because 10 slots are just not enough with all this formations. 1-2 times you MUST buy rabat rotate uridium in gate for ammo so you can play next month on map, from uridium you grind you buy some ammo for pvp rest you burn in gate during weekend usually on hades every time you have 4+ players because thats fastest way and next 5 days of rabat you doing slowly alpha beta gamma for maximal use of rabat you bought. In 7 days its easy rotate 1-2m uridium this way just in gates.

I saw few weeks ago comment on one of terror the legend videos by himself, once you are at point when you have 20m x4 you don't need to buy uridium anymore you can shoot cubikon, kristallon even low gate is a great option, LOW is somewhere between cubikon and kristallon when you look how much ammo you spend for uridium you get but overall its better shoot LOW gate with 3 people than shoot cubikon with 3 people to maximize time you spend in game for uridium you get.

Btw, I don't get people who play this game several years and say its pay to win, you should learn by now how to play it and under 10€ per month, even less if you are lucky and get discount pack on premium than its really cheap, world of warcraft cost you 15€ per month to play, both are grinding games, problem here is that people only equipment and uridium see as grinding part they ignore, pilot points, credits(yes on some servers boosters and cloacks are really expensive) and most important they ignore AMMO.

 

P2W means being able to skip all game progression with €€€€€€€€€€€€.

 

Really enjoyed this dicussion. Hs made me think about what I am doing. Thanks.

 

Rank
Most of some gates like you wanna be person who did most kuiper for some reson
Most ships destroyed

and most important is reputation and legacy, there no money that can buy it and this 2 things are probably most important.

 

Game progression can't be bought with money ,that would mean that you could buy XP and honor with money and that's just not how it works. If you buy uridium and you want to do upgrades with it you still only have so much time during upgrade hour to do this yes it makes it easier to purchase the upgrade but still have to wait for it like everyone else. Also you could purchase your ammo with the money but this will run out very fast is best to do gates and get your ammo from gate spins and from doing gates. So again you still have to spend time making ammo. Buying Uri is just a way not to have to spend all your time in the game farming, some of us have jobs and don't want to spend all their time farming but we still do event's, gates, missions, so is not pay to win cause you can't just put money in the game and say look i'm in the top players. The players that don't put money in the game just see player who put money in progress faster but if they just put money in the game but don't play very often they will not progress faster.

 

I could just answer back (I do have arguements) but since it's pointless I'm going to let it off.

 

Why do u ufes go on with that "DO is not p2w"? Its pretty much the defenition of p2w in the gaming comunity! Srly a p2w game is were u canont be competitive if u dont pay which is DO 101. The prof is that most players either pay or bot. Even the devs find this game to be p2w... So whats the point in saying that if u and every one that plays the game knows its BS ?

 

With a ship full of B02 and LF3 one can actually cube solo a cube gives 1024 uri start there and you will see its not a P2W game those who complain just want the same reward that a person that pays recieve.
Those who spend money just want to get to there goal quicker

 

Well, first of all I want to say that the "BS" is considered swearing by the Mods so you might as well remove it as it might lead to flaming(like how a Mod closed another thread because it seemed like you were flaming with that word[well, one of the reasons why he closed it]).

As for the "P2W" thing - well, they have a point, and to a degree, I agree with them. I could just explain what I mean by "to a degree" but it's pointless. All that matters right now is to make the game cheaper, not focusing on the definition of the term "P2W" lolz.

 

And those who dont just want it to be possible to achieve. U can go on with that theorical ufe free player but it still is not viable, if it was at least 50% of players would be free like in other real f2p games. In DO the players that never spent may be in the order of 1% or less.

OK but i didnt write the full word.

Its not just about making it cheaper, its about making it possible to free players. If they dont, better put this game for money subscription at once. They would avoid a lot of problems that way.

 

1) It doesn't matter whether it is the whole word or not, I'm speaking from personal experience.

2)Yeah, I agree.

3)Do you mean that they better make this game available for money only?

 

There are still ppl who not understand our frustrations!!!
This game is far from balance!!!
You have to do too much for getting a little reward!!!
for example:

6 uberkristallon for 10 tertrathrin they call this alot of resources I call this bully-laughing at us!
I prefer 15 Uberkristallon for 350 Tetrathrin!

2 gates for 40 kyphalon they call this alot of resources I call this bully-laughing at us!
I prefer 1 gate for 160 kyphalon for more balance!

Bifenon is okay!
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grtz
Senne

 

Why forum dont have dislike so I can't put it on comment above ?

New LF4 isn't intented to be make in a month to keep balance between new and old players they make it this way and why whould u kill 6 uber lon alone, with 8 ppl is more than easy.