[SC] Boss NPC 4 times better than a normal NPC?!

Hello,
I was playing D O for years, reading the FAQ sometimes, inform myself about NPCs and their strength, about everything, what a beginner needs to know.
Therefore I know the bosses are 4 time stronger than the “normals”. It sounds logical. An NPC which deal 4 times more damage and has 4 times more (HP+shield) => a real 4 times stronger boss.
http://www.bigpoint.com/darkorbit/board/threads/boss-alien-faq.801/

Then I had coming to the (negative) enlightenment after noticing that I had to repair myself very often when farming BBK instead of normal Kristallons. They are much more stronger than 4 times!
My train of thought: An enemy which I need 4 times longer to kill him than another one is 4 times stronger. He must have than 4 times more HP+shield. Nothing more! But there's the 3 times more damage (you can stand out of the NPCs range to not receiving their damage, but some of them have a VERY big one)…
The BBK is (3*4=)16 times stronger, isn't it?

Spoiler: Thought experiment, you needn't really read

A little thought experiment:
I'm an imagine ship and attacking a Kristallon which has the same attack frequency (it attacks at the same time when I attack him). I one shot it (in 1 sec) , it reduce my my HP+shield by 1/16. I will die after 16 Kristallons and need 16 seconds.
Or I attack a BBK. I will reduce its HP+shield by ¼ (because I deal damage equal of the HP+shield of one normal Kristallon), it will reduce my HP+shield by 4/16 (because it deals 4 times more damage). If I kill it, it will kill me.
I will kill one BBK in 4 seconds. If I want to destroy 4 BBK (=16 Kristallons) in the same time (needing for 16 Kristallons), I must have 4 times more shield+HP
(=>I must be 4 times stronger
=> 4 BBKs are 4 times stronger than 16 Kristallons
=>1 BBK is 4 times stronger than 4 Kristallons
=>1 BBK is 16 times stronger than 1 Kristallon)
IMO the other advantages of farming bosses (Log Files, Booster, less time for searching...) don't compensate the more damage. Analogical the ubers are (8+8=)64 times better than the non-boss-NPCs.

Best Regards
BestGArenEUW

 

Stop trying to confuse us with this jumble of thought the answer is in this thread;
http://www.bigpoint.com/darkorbit/board/threads/npc-charts-for-all-npcs.1004/
and compares all map NPC's at one time (regular, boss, and uber) to each other.

Hopefully this resolves the brain twister you have created (including the confusion of a BK, none in game as a BIG Krist) to what we all know as a BBK.

Yes you have to alter your fighting style when attacking a BBK over a BK and they do hit harder and is why they take longer to kill and give so much more rewards. Dragging the BBK instead of just circling helps with this and not having any other NPC's attacking you while killing the BBK helps too.

 

Now, I'm thinking the BBK is 12 times stronger than the Krist, especially if I drag it. I will take the full 3 times bigger damage and must takes his HP+shield down. (Rewards are not that big, only 4 times higher)
Your link shows me that (nearly) every Boss has 3 times more damage and and 4 times more shield+HP than the normal ones.

(Ingame while farming BBK I must use Diamond formation because of its high damage, normal Kris can be killed with Drill=>20% more damage=> faster clear. Dragging a BBK with Drill is nearly impossible for me)

Help me to understand "4 times stronger", I'm not understanding this...(Yeah, I also never accept it unfounded)

 

I don't know what your issue is I am level 16 (US2) and have killed BBK without any problem. I am FE with level 10 PET and 9 PP (8 in the first section 2 Hull, 1 Engineering, and 5 Shield). Yes it does take some time to kill them but I never come close to having to worry about being killed by them.

But the information I had you look at says;
Kristallon has 400,000 Hull and 300,000 Shield = 700,000 strength hitting with 4450 damage
Boss Kristallon has 1,200,000 Hull and 1,800,000 = 2,800,000 strength hitting 15,000 to 20,000

Doing the math the strength IS 4 TIMES more for a BBK and the average hit (17,500 is almost 4 times the 17,800 damage of an actual Kristallon).

The EP is 51,200 and 204,800 which is 4X, the Honor is 256 and 1024 again 4X, the Uridium is 128 and 512 still 4X, the Credits are 409,600 and 1,638,400 also 4X, the cargo (Prometium, Endurium, and Terbium) at 300 and 1200, (Prometid and Duranium) at 128 and 512, and (Promerium) at 16 and 64 are all 4X. The UBK (Uber) is only 2X of a BBK but not exactly on everything across the board like the Regular and Boss of every NPC in the maps that have them.

The biggest thing to remember is their Shield absorption is just like a ship equipped with all BO-2 generators of 80/20 so if you take out the shields with SAB while hitting it with rockets from both HS-2 and regular launcher switching to regular laser ammo when they are gone you will kill it faster and still have your shields full until you switch to the regular laser ammo.

If the above math has gone over your head then maybe you need to study some more BASIC arithmetic to help you understand this.

 

I haven't got a lot problems with BBk, it's only an example

Mhh...I try to explain what I think.
How many times stronger is a "special" Kristallon , if its shield+HP are quadruple, compared with a normal Krist? Not 4 times? I think quadrupling a stat (HP+shield OR damage) mean a quadrupling of strength. Quadrupling one and tripling the other stat=> twelvefold the strength?





Sorry for beeing unteachable, I'm normally good in basic arithmetic, this what I explained is proportionality (?)

 

Well your proportionality math does not make sense to me, and since normal math explains it is 4 times stronger and has proven it there is no need to try a NEW method of proofing a given fact.

 

the only difference other than 4Xs hp,shield and damage is the have a little longer range it seems. its very easy to drag/circle a BK now a BBK there is still a sweet spot but its small going on to the UBBK once again the sweet spots still there just almost nonexistent.so this as well as the extra power is what makes the bosses and ubers a challenge all can be done solo but you need a full proof way of attack dragging is best FYI

 

I'm convinced and accept the FAQ information, maybe I've a wrong meaning of "strength".




Contra and pro arguments are still welcome

 

Boss x2
Uber x3...stronger

same as invasion gate

lvl 1 x1 normal
lvl 2 x2 double - similar to boss
lvl 3...Oh my...goodness the Kucurbium/Boss Kucurbium waves x3 + x3 = forever - pop already

This same as doing the GG - Alpha x1, Beta x2 and Gamma x3.

 

really bosses are X4 hp/shield and attack ubers are X8 look here http://www.bigpoint.com/darkorbit/board/threads/npc-charts-for-all-npcs.1004/ from HelpMeHelpYou's post

 

Doesn't surprise me that you're a Garen player.

 

How do you know it ?