[SC] i dont need server merge

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  1. I have played for thousands of hours on a small server that used to be very populated when i did most of my playing. I have gotten UFE despite the multi company clan wars keeping me from cubing even on small servers and i have even spent a couple thousand on this game over the course of the last 7 years or so. but the server i play on now is dead for the most part besides the 2/3 big clans that control every event and kill everyone indiscriminately, even noobs that stand no chance. I want new competition and a chance to compete for ranks and have a chance to actually achieve high ranks which i cant do because of people who have simply been playing longer and grinding harder and spending more money than me. if we refresh the ranks and make them based on rp earned in time intervals that refresh with increasing rewards for each rank above a certain level the game will be more fair to newer players who want to earn ranks too but never can because of the advantage older players have..
     
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  3. StLouis...

    StLouis... User

    Rank will change no matter what.

    Server merge is going to happen. Sure it'll upset some people but that's how the game works, those in the top will be in the top, the only people that will be affected will be the stars, as the others will just see an increase of several ranks. Unless youre the General of VRU and EIC in Global America 1 then you are safe since they both have the highest ranks of all the Global America servers.

    If you aren't #1 or 2 then youll most likely drop to a Basic Colonel - Basic General.
     
  4. MyBigi

    MyBigi User

    Maybe the server merge will help u get a better rank, more players, also means that the ammount of people that can achieve a certain rank will also increase(I remember in the past that GE1 had 2 Basic General on 1 company).

    People playing on a server with high rank in general will probably get a better rank after the merge, since there will be a lot of people from other servers that have less rank joining you.

    Ex:

    Major on server 1 is 2.000.000 rank points
    Major on server 2 that is going to be merged with you is 1.200.000 rank points

    after the merge, u will probably need less than 2.000.000 rank points, and more than 1.200.000 rank points to get Major

    this means that the guy from server 2 may get a worse rank than Major, while the guy from server 1 may get a higuer rank.

    But this is just speculation, we will have to see how DO manages the server merge and the ranks.

    But they should fix their servers first, specially GA1, its the most buggy/laggy server i've played(it used to be GE1 the most buggy/laggy, but 6 months ago they did something, and now it runs better, but don't get me wrng, it still laggs xD)

    It does not matter if there are a lot of players; if u have to reconnect every time u jump a gate, or if u get freezes while fighting,etc.
    All of those players will leave if u don't fix the servers.

    All that comes after, first fix the servers.
     
  5. Đesαnn

    Đesαnn User

    This doesn't make sense. There are players that have worked for their accounts in ALL SERVERS. There are also players that just spent money or directly paid for a BOT.

    So, your populated server isn't the "best one" just for having a lot of activity. There can be botters, and also pay users....and of course, free players that have put their EFFORT.

    Well, this can be a problem. I do not agree with you, but at least you mentioned something important. Server merge will bring us the reality of the game, and we will see why is so hard growing up an account in this game. (Specially when you have a lot of activity and you can't farm a lot...spending hours and hours)

    I agree with these changes. First I have to say that, you should work also with the leaderboards for TOP users. It should be seasonal as the rank and all stuff.

    We need more mechanics and variations, like an expansion to the universe. Why? Because you guys want to make the game more competitive and you want to make this things such as rank, top, level, more useful. So...currently we have LIMITED ways to calculate how good is a player - playing the game.

    We are dealing with too much monotonous stuff.

    - Kill enemy players.
    - Quests.
    - Galaxy gates.

    And yes, this is the game......for me, you should add more mechanics. Things like, ranked missions.

    More than difficult, average and easy, we need more ranked missions and new ways to deal with the game and exploit the game. (Exploit in a good way)

    Just keep in mind that, if we are doing things seasonal we deserve a reward. Like, if you get colonel this season, you will get this things. Logdisks, lasers, whatever.

    How will we calculate the rank?

    Well, basic things and also we need to add mechanics into the missions or ACTIONS. We have these "secret achievements" like the title "What does it mean?" and stuff... that can be a big step, working with the secrets and hidden stuff in the game.

    "To get this rank you have to finish this 30 actions" > These can be required things to get a rank.

    Then we add common stuff that will be calculated, as it is now but we a little change. Remember the point system? Well...we will have a point system, and that will be the "common stuff" that will determine if you have a better rank than X person. (And also you need the requirements that are obligatory)

    So for example, an action can be "Enter into the ??? map and find a way to keep alive for 7 minutes. After that, you have to use the Kamikaze module in all cubikons to turn on their communications and send the message to our enemy. You can't die".

    For me, it will be great if you add more stuff, we have a lot of things to work with, isn't all about kill and kill and kill. Of course, kills, galaxy gates and NPC kills (again) are important, but if we base our game in that....it is so limited.

    Think about it, we have rank, top, levels, records (like doing a galaxy gate in X time), titles, and that stuff that is being calculated......so the game need to be deeper to work with seasonal stuff.

    "Use the special spearhead mark against an enemie and push your team to the victory!
    Requirements to complete the quest: After your mark the enemie needs to lose more than 40.000 shield points"

    That's it.
     
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2017
  6. neoonoma

    neoonoma User

    Merging servers won't help financially because many people who spend a lot of money to work for their rank weekly will leave because they got annoyed someone stole their rank.So, while they will need less money to run servers,they will also receive less money.

    And don't say that people won't lose their ranks(i'm talking about the stars) because general and basic generals at DE1 have a lot of honour.
     
  7. MyBigi

    MyBigi User

    You all talk like merging servers will make u lose ur ranks, but its not really like that.

    More players, also means that the ammount of people for each rank will also increase, that means that the rank points needed for a certain rank may decrease.
     
  8. I just wish that there is a cpu jump to what server you want at least a week... you will be obliged to come back to where you from after a given number of days and besides your name there is a server code LIke GA4, GA1,EU1 etc.. that serves as tag. MOreover, may we be allowed to place pics badges on our ship as clans identity visually Thanks..
     
  9. neoonoma

    neoonoma User

    Certainly that's true for most of the ranks but not for the stars.Did you read my post?
     
  10. I think that CPU is a great idea!

    Go for a visit on any server, help anyone move forward all while having a new life's breath each server visited.

    Just imagine the code involved to achieve that, but great idea. If the game becomes a downloadable then I think this idea could be achieved in some way. ;)

    -FT

    “Imagination does not become great until human beings, given the courage and the strength, use it to create.”
     
  11. MyBigi

    MyBigi User

    My statement is the same for all ranks, want me to show an example?


    EX: lets say they are going to merge Global America 1 and Mexico 1:

    Both these servers have more or less the same ammount of players(you can check it, just log on them and look at the ammount of players per company on the ranking window)


    These 2 servers have +- the same ammount of players, but Mexico 1 ranks are much lower than Global America 1 ranks.

    --Lets say there are 10 Colonels(1 star) on GA1 and that the ammount or rank points needed for this rank is 8.000.000+-.
    --Lets say there are 10 Colonels(1 star) on MEX1 and that the ammount of rank points needed for this rank is 6.000.000+-.

    Now imagine they merge these 2 servers:

    --Means there can be 20 Colonels(1 star), but the ammount of rank points needed for that rank won't be 8.000.000 neither 6.000.000, it will be something between those numbers, that means that some of the players coming from MEX1 may get deranked(basic colonel) while some of GA1 may get a better rank(2 stars).

    Like i said, merging servers does not mean it will be bad for ur rank.

    It just depends on how BP will merge them:

    -- if they merge 2 servers with +- the same rank points for each rank, then after the merge the ranks will+- stay the same.
    -- if they merge 2 servers, and 1 of those servers have higuer ranks than the other 1, then it will probaly be beneficial for the server with higuer ranks.

    ( If they merge servers and you lose ur rank, that just means that someone from the other server worked much harder than you, so he is deserving it more)

    EX: imagine they merge GA1 with GA3, the General from GA1 keeps his rank, while the General from GA3 loses his rank, this just means that the General from GA1 worked much harder to get the rank since it is a much more competitive server compared with GA3(where u don't need that much work to get General)

    So, don't worry, if u did work harder than the other guy from the other server, then u will keep ur rank and he will lose it, it all comes down to who did more work.
     
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  12. StLouis...

    StLouis... User

    Another issue that I'm seeing is that free players worked hard and didn't throw their money at darkorbit.

    So what if I threw my money at darkorbit?
    It is my money to begin with and if I have money to give to darkorbit then don't judge me for it.

    Critize the bots because they use illegal way in the game of obtaining stuff.

    I've been on both sides on the free side and the paying side.

    Guess what it is still the same thing, you still gotta do gates to get your havocs lf4s hercs etc etc, having the money just speed things up a bit and I'm sorry if you can't spend money on the game like some can.

    I care about my rank and I care about the merge. I want a merge to happen because I know that itll help the game in the long run. I just got kicked out 3-7 from 3 non ufes who just got tired of me hunting and I became the hunted. Don't say UFE's are over powered because I know how much of a difference it makes if serveral non ufes decide to not be the hunted anymore.

    Seasonal ranks mean nothing to me, they are nothing they are gonna disappear. On East 1 I made it to the top 200 before I left the server as a Basic Colonel, if I wouldn't have left I would've been a 2 star by now.

    In GA1 I'm already a Chief Major, about to be a basic colonel and I'm in the top 600. I wan't the ranks to stay.

    What makes you think the quests will be easy for the seasonal ranks? Youre gonna have to be doing a lot of hunting if they decide to do it other than galaxy gates.

    Tell me do you have the lf4s the hercs, the upgrades to go on a hunting spree to get the top ranks?

    I know its hard to reach the top ranks but it is possible. I set a goal to be a 1 star in MMO in GA1, and I'm almost there. These next 2 ranks I got to pass are the hardest but I came this far to just quit and have it taken away by someone who wants seasonal ranks.

    I'm sorry but these seasonal ranks are useless to me.

    I'm here to prove my worth and show how good I am, not to have everyone elses efforts taken from them. If I wan't a 1 star, I don't want a season 1 Star, I wan't to overtake the lowest 1 star and show him hes got competition.

    Set small goals and youll see how far you can go. I didn't decide hey i wanna be a 1 star, but I said lets start with Chief Lieutenant then basic Captain, then Captain and so forth. I came a long way to being denied my chance of what I came here to do just because you guys want everything given to you. People lost their ranks, My friend FT lost his rank because someone pushed hard and so on. He doesn't get sad about it. He found other ways to be in the leader boards, and I'm damn proud of him.
     
  13. MyBigi

    MyBigi User

    Im going to try to resume the problem with the ranks right now, and why some people(mostly PVPers) are unhappy about how it is working:


    The easiest ways to obtain rank is:

    1--Honour points
    2--Ship kills

    In the past without Hades gate and Double GG events, obtaining honour was rather hard, that means that the number 1 option for getting rank was trough ship kills, at that moment everyone was rather happy, since if they wanted good rank, they needed to kill a lot of ships or invest A LOT of money doing gates.

    But with the introdution of Hades gate and later the weekly Double GG event, obtaining honour becomes incredible easy, and its not that expensive anymore(with premium+discount, every hades costs me like 15.000+- uridium(already made the subtraction of the earnings of the gate),and i can get like 1.3 million honour points with each Hades, and u can complete the gate with 15 minutes average).

    With Honour points coming that easily, ship kills become almost useless if u want to fight for a good rank, since u won't be able to keep up with Hades smashers.

    In the past the people with Top Ranks were usually also people with Top SHIP KILLS, but right now its something like
    Top Ranks-->Top Hades Gates done.

    In my opinion BP can easily solve this problem by making ships kills worth more rank, something like x5 what is worth now or even more, this will make PVPers happier, since they will have the choice to get a good rank by fighting and killing other players while the PVErs can still fight for rank trough Hades.

    The issue right now is that if u want good rank, there is only 1 viable path, the SMASH HADES GATE path.---Due to this a lot of people that played this game for the PVP and that wanted to obtain a good rank left, since they were forced to do boring Hades to obtain/keep their ranks.


    Sumary: No need to change whole rank system since it will make a lot of people who invested a lot of effort trough Hades to lose their work, just make SHIP KILLS worth more rank points, and then a lot of PVPers will come back since they will have an alternative to get a good rank, this may also have a positive impact on the (empty)maps, since more people will be out hunting and fighting(instead of staying all day in those gates...).
     
  14. Kyro

    Kyro User

    Unfortunately nope, that would not work. If BP do any changes at all to the current rank system people who have spent a lot of money/time in the only current way to get high ranks will throw a riot(I know I will), if BP want to change the ranks they need to leave the current one alone.

    I know from reading other people's thoughts about it on Discord/on the game what not that some people don't like the idea of the current rank system just getting scrapped all together but to me personally who to boot gets/has got almost all of my honor from Kappa's* also a bit from just doing ABY, would much prefer BP would just properly reward/compensate** people who have got high ranks and then just scrap the current rank system(also make it easy to tell who was high ranked on old rankings, as in visually on the game and no nothing that looks cheap or crap).


    *I am currently a Basic General soon to be General on GB1(I have 1.1bil honor but would be more like 1.8bil if I didn't keep changing company before) and I am No.8 on Top Users, sure nor GB1 or EIC on this server has really that high of numbers/honor for ranks but it is still nothing that low. Also no this is not off years of work, more like 3-6~/+ months at a not steady pace also taking "breaks". Though this is more about my honor not EP since that doesn't get reduced by changing company but still wouldn't be that much longer if took that into account.

    Though I did start playing mid 2009(had a 5 year or so "break" for most part from the game at around 2011 or so though) but I didn't have any RP/top user points of note(just something like 150k RP and 4-6mil top user points) till I started rank chasing 3-6~ months ago well extra few months ago taking into account the company jumps, so I have more of just been throwing money and a lot of time on the game so take what like from that but I have most definitely invested a lot in the current rank system. With all this said I do not like the idea that people need to keep doing/being in gates to keep/get rank, people being in gates overall is not what is good for the game(while being on the actual maps is).


    I mean me personally will probably just be able to get such a large gap that I can just stop doing gates all together, but not everyone has the time/money or lack of any real competition(at least at moment no one seems to be for me) to be able to do this. Don't know about anyone else but the idea of people being in gates and having to be in gates to get or keep rank is not a good thing, sure it currently is a thing though. But like I have already said give people who have high ranks a sort of permanent rank(also other rewards/compensations) that they can never lose and no one else can take/have, then I don't really see why people would not like/be fine with this.

    Well I guess I can and that is people who are trying to climb very very high inactive ranks or very slowly maybe gaining on high ranks that cannot do as many gates as them(meaning they wont be able to get their rank within this year or something). But other than that if people also keep their honor/ep stats, the top user board stays(people can also still climb it) and people get permanent kind of rank icons on the game that only they have/can have I don't personally see what is bad with that. Maybe it is just a kind of mindset I cannot understand, I know me personally would not want to keep having to do gates to keep/get a rank though(that said maybe some people just want it stay like this).


    **Why not just give them a lot of uridium as well lol? The goal should be basically to make people feel like all their work/money was not for nothing. (but to just make it clear you need to do something like what OP32 made as a concept, so people still have a visual thing or I know I would be very annoyed)
     
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2017
  15. MyBigi

    MyBigi User

    Why would u throw a riot, its not like honour is going to be worth less rank.

    Im not asking to make Honour points useless neither reworking the whole rank system, im just saying that if they make ship kills worth more rank points, a lot of people that is unhappy about how the rank system is right now, would be pleased.
     
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  16. Kyro

    Kyro User

    Yes I am sure they would be happy, but the current high rank players who are chasing rank or are a high rank would not be happy about other people getting rank points quick off other ways. Hence why I say and know there would be a riot, I know I would that after I have spent so much time and money on how the rank system currently is if they just go and change it(who is even to say those gate grinders even like doing that much PvP either?).

    So yes riot, very much a riot and there will be a demand refund of money, basically very angry players.
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2017
  17. MyBigi

    MyBigi User

    Umm i guess i do understand why they would be angry...

    I don't want to write another long text explaining things of the past, so i guess ill leave it here.
     
  18. PuckerUp

    PuckerUp User

    Every Game I have ever played that did a server merge DIED . IT DOES NOT FIX ANYTHING IT COMPOUNDS IT !! Who plays this game really believe that DO/BP will even get it right Hmm ? Have they in the last O say 5yrs have been able to change, add, update , run events or even give any real estimate on any fixes ? Once they sell us on merge who says in a couple months they come back and say we got to do it again so we can fix what we did wrong or just to bad we are doing another merge. Forget rank ! Hello! Come on wake up already.
     
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  19. MyBigi

    MyBigi User

    I would like for them to merge the servers, but first they have to fix the lagg of some servers first....
     
  20. batata

    batata User

    Server merge will do nothing to solve the problems of the game. They think this will bring new players to the game or make ufe pay more money but what will hapen is that new players will be bashed away by ufes and ufes will start (those who dont already) booting to get uridium. They should just make the matching system on refractions work properly there is enouth pvp there.