[SC] Tantarus is a joke

i just played spaceball and its useless to shot the new ship.
they just used ability and run away and now its even worse.
before with luck people you could get cargo from spaceball now all they do is use ability and wheel formation and get all the cargo.
im a spending player so i dont really need the cargo but how is this helping the game?
you just created a ship quite expensive and yet it will be bought by ufe who got uridium. im sure weaker players who are looking for auction could not get it as it will take atleast half a year to be on trade and then the massive amount of credits! this certainly don't make me feel the game is getting better for non spending players.
i dont know where will this new ship lead us becasue certainly it will have the same impact like pusat had on spearhead and Vengy, when pusat came out no one used spearhead unless they they dont have pusat.
now i think pusat will be history similar to spearhead these days becasue of the Tantarus.

i just cant understand why is it we have to jeopardize the old ship for new ships? if you cant think of good idea then dont make a ship in first place, you just ruining the game and im just wondering one day you will get rid of your most important ship the Goli becasue of some new ship. T
hat would be sad.

 

Bigpointless talks about creating parity in one blurb then releases another piece of candy for the wallet nubs. More disparity between pay to win players and everyone else. Useless game anymore. Everytime I work my butt off to try and upgrade things they raise the bar even higher. I remember when Pilot Bio rolled out and the wallet nubs were killing everyone. I'm not spending another dime and when my premium runs out in February, done with game. The stupidity of the hitac event, dominated by UFE clans is another consideration. No fun any more.

 

it costs 200k uri. just grind it out. its not as if its a payment only option. stop whinging

 

The BigPoint way: More powercreep content, but never thinking about bringing the old good darkorbit. Working as intended.

 

Don't tell people to buy broken crap, it's speed is unbalancing the game it can too easily run away/chase people and it is making the pusat pointless now. People should wait untill they balance it before deciding to buy it unless they want to complain that they changed it, though if you don't care if it will be changed then go ahead buy the broken crap.

 

I dont like that its almost same strong as goli + it has the ability to be faster than vengis, spears, pusats,
This ability should never make this ship faster than pusat or vengi , not if its for unlimited time.

 

From what I heard,..the 1st day of this ship, there was a unexpected glitch with it's speed. The Very next day,..that was Fixed! I wouldn't complain about a ship that was extremely fast on day 1 which was a Spaceball event. Dark Orbit Fixed it's speed, so see how you do on the next Spaceball event, then see your results. Even a CA made an announcement about this on Global chat at the time. Day 2,..Speed was nerfed

 

Its not fair it also affects he boxing the new ship just way to fast pet steals all the boxes got no chances.

 

if tartarus is going to be faster with its ability than spear and pusat , then make it -50% laser damage

i think thats would be way better.

or just make it slower than those.

 

I agree, stupid ship, my lightning venge cannot outrun it even with speed boost turned on, venge with wheel is slower than a tartarus with ring, what a joke.

 

I quite like the tartarus so i thought i'd take some time to speak for it.

Spaceball wise, i'm not sure in other servers, but on my server most of the time one company completely dominates the event (so if you are from a different company there goes any chance for boxes). As for picking up the boxes, sure the tartarus with more speed might help but at the end of the day it all comes down to skill and luck.

Price wise, sure 200k is expensive, however its still manageble to any free player willing to spend the time killing aliens or boxing. Furthermore it would be way easier for a free casual player to get the tartarus to help them escape from UFE golis and vengis than it would be for them to get all lf4s and everything lvl 16 and be able to actually fight against them.
Also, whilst its true that UFEs have "easier access" to the ship than free players, from experience i can tell you that if you are running a nooby account it makes little to no difference whether the enemy is running a vengi a goli or a tartarus, odds are they'll kill you just the same and just as easily.
The only difference is that if you yourself are running a tartarus with all shields in drones at max speed you'll have a better chance of surviving against golis and vengis and even if they have a tartarus too, you'll be faster thus getting to port faster and receiving less damage hence increasing your chances of survival.

As for certain ships becoming "obsolete", or at least much less useful, i completly agree. Just looking at the vegi most if not all the designs loose in specs to the tartarus. Whether this is or isn't a good thing i'm sure most people have their own opinions. However with the exception of the lighting design and the pusat, price wise all the other vegins are at least 100k cheaper.

Speaking of the pusat and lighting; apart from the pusat having 2 extra lasers they are both pretty much worse than the tartarus whilst being 50k more expensive. Is this a problem? Yes it is, however those who have been watching the twitch streams know that they are going to be reworking the abilities of many of the ships quite soon so this really is a topic best left until then (and if you trust the unofficial darkorbit news thread you'll only have to wait 2 weeks to find out).

However, is it so bad that there is a better ship cheaper than many of the ones available? I myself am not UFE or anywhere close to it nor have i ever enjoyed having too much uridium so i can tell you my view is quite biased in this subjet. I quite like the fact that there is a ship that i can buy (cheaper than various others) that will give me an edge on those UFEs out there. And as for becoming obsolete... Well it's the natural progression of things, one doesn't expect a 10 year old cellphone to have the same abilities as a top of the line mordern smartphone.

Overall i love this new ship, i belive it serves as good target that people can strive to achieve (much more realistic than full lf4), whilst being relatively affordable for most somewhat commited players. And i'll also quickly say that even if its not in the auction it is more realistic to make 200k uri than it would be to make the god knows billions of credits that most UFE people could spend in the auction.

Hope to see more people embracing this lovely new ship

Kind regards,
El- Vengador

 

The Tartarus has been discounted for a few days and the event ran for 2 weeks most players could farm enough uri in that time to buy it if they wanted it, also i fly a goli and i pop that ship and it doesn't always get away. Also on the 12th of next month their is another event coming so save your uri for it and maybe you could be one of the players who gets to have one of the new designs.

 

I have found that the Tartarus is not an overbalancing ship.
It has less lasers than a Goliath, so less damage.
Speed can be better than a Goliath or Vengeance, if the boost is left on and that further reduces the damage.
From what I have seen over the years is that the Goli was the Battleship style and could/should do more damage.
The Vengi was, I believe, supposed to be the faster of the two and had less damage that the Goliath.
The Tartarus now shows what a speed difference should look like. Yes it should be able to run away, however, several times now, even with my Tart on speed boost, Goliath ships (Surgeons, Enforcers specifically) as well as a Vengeance (Lightning and Revenge ) were able to catch up and overtake my ship.

Yes I was running full 7900's with Promerium at the time.​

That speed oddity is probably just a facet of the LAG that can show up from time to time irregardless of the online game being played.

Depending on the configuration being used, to get decent damage a lot of shield capability is lost. If you look at trying to keep shields up, then you have very little damage effect, in comparison to the two above mentioned ships.

It seems that the Vengeance is the one that set everyone up for a slap in the face when it came time to have a ship like the Tartarus. The Vengeance should have had at least a base speed that would equate to 2 speed generators to start, have more generator slots than the Goliath. Then, at final tally, the Vengeance would have had a very distinct speed improvement. With that in place, the new ship on the lot would not have been that great a change and, I feel, a more accepting player base.

 

Making ships obsolete? No the word you were looking for is "destroying game balance", this new ship doesn't just replace ships it is disturbing the current balance the game had. If you wanted a all round good ship you went with a goli and if you wanted a weaker but faster ship you went with a venge, then a step further if wanted more firepower with speed at cost of chunk of health you went with the pusat.

Now with the tartarus you can forget about the last bits cause it is better than both, it even will make people think why am I in any other ship than a tartarus when they see it can run away from them so easily(enjoy having to use ice/slow rockets/mines all the time against it) or stay out of range of them and just keep going in and out of range of them(bet looking forward to the new laser with tartarus' just going in range to shoot when get extra damage off a laser shot)...


So yeah I bet making the tartarus how it is was worth making venge/pusat useless and I thought you didn't want to sell power anymore BP... Cause this ship isn't just a different way to play, it is replacing ways were playing the game already now making them way less viable if tartacrap/s is/are flying about.

Just play the Tartarus like a hit and run ship, then I dare you to try and tell me its not too safe of a ship cause its not just cause it makes my favorite ship(pusat) way less viable that it annoys me.


(and yeah the not including bit about phone was intentional just kinda didn't want to bother replying to that cause its a poor analogy or excuse you trying to give but meh: a game and a phone are two very different things, a company makes a new phone cause they have to its impratical to try and keep an old phone new. but a game? Its the deveoplers choice whether to make current ships useless due to a new ship, they could of and still can easily balance the ship/s so balance hasn't been destroyed)

 

It is a double stacked lightning vengi in all red cause of all that reentry into your planet.

Disc: I don't have it yet.

 

First of all allow me to apologise for the poor analogy, i just thought it was simple and easy enough to understand, but you are right.
I'll try a different example. I will use the LF4s as an example addressing the obsolete comment.

As far as "destroying game balance" goes, to me LF4s which were introduced a few years back would be (would've been) the prime example (lets not even metion lvl16 upgrades). Was i thrilled about a new function,which basically rendered the LF3s i worked so hard to obtain obsolete? No i wasn't (and i'm sure many others also weren't) but non the less i managed to cope with it. Now many years later i've come to accept them as part of the game and i can proudly say i own 14 (go me !!! )

Is the tartarus disturbing the current balance the game had? Perhaps it is or perhaps it isn't (this frankly is left mostly to each individual's interpretation). However, does it disturb the balance of the game any more than LF4s or upgrades did when (and still do now) they were introduced? For me at least, it doesn't.

Finally i would like to ask is this really that bad?

Sure, at the start change is something scary (a bit of an overexageration in the tartarus case but, you get my point). But isn't finding new ways to play and enjoy what is almost a 10 year old game, a good thing? Developing new strategies to account for the tartarus, learning how to fight with it and against it, is it really so bad? Sure it might take time and at times it might be frustrating but, isn't overcoming these kind of struggles what keeps a game interesting?

I have been playing for quite a few years now and only have 14 lf4, and sure you could (and should) blame my laziness for the fact that i only have 14. However i can assure you that, unlike with LF4s, anyone who really want them (while still being lazy as me) could have access to a tartarus within 6 months.

I hope that the LF4 example is a bit more relevant to the game (unlike my "poor analogy")

Kind regards,
El-Vengador

 

I have been a player for 9 years, so I have seen a lot with regards to them bringing out new stuff. The introduction of the tartarus has had me asking why. It is far to fast for the game as it is now. Talk about having 5% less damage but in drill form and speed ability it is still going to do 15% more damage and has a speed of 600. That is just crazy. Over there at BP they must of been having some kind of wild party when they came up with the idea.

 

Do you remember the "old" ideas for the 3D formations? E.g. Drill +50% more damage. Same OP niveau as Tartarus.

 

Someone in chat called it the 'tartarsauce' .... sounds fishy to me...

 

Moth with shields in 3D