[UI] A Revision of the Vengeance Star fighter ship?

Goliath, a battle cruiser that represents and the iconic ship of the game, over powers every other ship in terms of balanced in speed, toughness and firepower, the worst case scenario is having a surgeon, a Goliath class ship with an additional slot to its generators makes it cope up with the fastest ship (should be) the vengeance star fighter with a base speed of 380 (fastest base speed ship in the game) and adding 10 slots of generators that you can retrofit with speed generators, it should be the fastest ship and with balanced toughness in the game, but the vengeance star fighter has been extinct in most pvp battles in the coming of the pusat, a star fighter that is base on the vengeance, with 16 laser slots and 12 generator slots, it exceeds the speed and damage of the vengeance star fighter, but ofcourse the drawback is having less hp, but this still copes up with the power provided by the ship and the speed, it is Labeled as a hit'n'run ship.

the pusat is enough for a good assassination of players when they are busy doing something else and not focused on the mini-map to look for cloaked ships nearby, but it wont last in long fights and an overall clan war where many ships are in the area to shoot at you and focus fire at your ship because it is the most vulnerable ship in the game before the spearhead.

The vengeance star fighter needs a comeback and become useful again in many pvp battles, at pve any ship can be used but in pvp, you need tactics and a good decision making on what ship to ride on the brink of fights.

VENGEANCE

Speed	380
Cargo	1,000
Lasers	10
Generators	10
Hit points	180,000
Extras	2

those are the stats of the Vengeance star fighter.

PUSAT

Speed	370
Cargo	1,000
Lasers	16
Generators	12
Hit points	125,000
Extras	3

here is the stat for a Pusat star fighter, the difference is huge, more extra slots, more laser slot and generator slots, but less base speed and HP, but the firepower is still in the advantage of the pusat and the speed because of the extra 2 generator slots unlike vengeance that only has 10.

REVISION VENGEANCE VERSION

Speed	400
Cargo	1,000
Lasers	12
Generators	12
Hit points	200,000
Extras	2

THIS is what i was thinking, and respectfully a stats of the Vengeance, more base speed, increased generator slot, hit points and laser slot, to cope up with the strength of the goliath surgeon 'and' the speed, vengeance will be, and never will be overrun by a surgeon.

with this stat players that uses the vengeance starfighter would increase in number and there will be a balance in terms of what ship is being used, the vengeance star fighter is now extinct in most servers and only few people use it now for one reason:
the speed, the capability to run from an opponent but now it is useless because of wheel formation, and noobs wouldn't be able to go to port without losing 75% of their HP in within just 2 shots of lasers from an enemy surgeon that is an ultra elite.

even a surgeon in wheel, it wont cope up with the speed of the vengeance starfighter, and even pusat ships would have a problem ticking off this bad boy's hp because it can withstand a little bit more of punishment and has a bit more firepower.

the nostromo ambassador is an exclusive ship only to people who invited 25 players in the game and has leveled up till atleast level 7, it has the same stats of this revisioned vengeance but with a little more hp and less base speed.

 

IMO Vengeance doesn't fulfil a role anymore, it hasn't good special advantages. Goliath is a all-rounder, high HP, damage, shield slots and, if you include Surgeon, high speed.
If you want to have more speed, you will take Tartarus, which has the same advantages as the Goliath. It's a little weaker in fights, nevertheless it's much faster. You only took Vengeance for the speed, but now even Pusat is replaced by Tartarus.

They should reprocess some other stats at Vengeance to make the Vengeance great again. I can imagine that a little larger laser range every 10 seconds for 5 seconds would work. Or something else.

 

I am pointing out the ship itself not suggesting other players to always use goliath class ships.

Every now and then i see all of them in their veteran goli, aegis, and surgeons.

As you say that vengeance has now been bias in role by pusat, then pusat by tartarus, then what is the point having all these ships in the store or in auction if its already been called off by most players as a ship that doesn't do anything anymore because of the new ones coming out and over powering it.

every other game has many roles, for example in Battle Star Galactica Online, every other ship is used in every fleet battles, ofc im not comparing the game on this game but as you can see, if the ship is now pretty much useless or not in use by the majority of the players on the game, then maybe remove the ship entirely and just give it up to the goliath.

they have put the vengeance ship there for a reason, they just made new ships and stuff to look it more useless than ever, they broke the balance of the game and that ship should be out there being used by players.

star fighters and battlecruisers shouldn't have over powering each other without balance, it should be a star fighter having more advantage of being swift, fast and cunning while battlecruisers should be tough, can take a lot of punishment and packs a punch when diving into battle.

Each class of ship should have had roles to do on every pvp battles, i use the vengeance as a bait when defending clan base, acting like im going to die, lure in the helpless goli inside the clanbase then my groupies would munch on him until he pops, i put slow mines while hes chasing me for assurance.

its better if they give an additional stat on every ship, like vengeance and pusat having more passive evasion than the goliath and tartarus, citadel having passive reduced damage to any source, aegis having a passive hp boost to nearby group even they are not in the same area and map, and spearhead to be the fastest ship in the game because "it is a recon ship" after all.

 

Because you are thinking of a revenge and push in the UBA and in common maps:
Nano hull and load (you have in normal maps more can not use in UBAs)
Hence, it is just growing nano hull and load on normal maps:
Vengeance: 180,000 hp and 360,000 nano hull, 2,400 hold load
V-lightning: 180,000 hp and 270,000 nano hull, 2,250 bilge load
Pusat: 125,000 hp and 250,000 nano hull, 1,875 hold load

 

you likely have misunderstood what i was saying, it was a suggestion

your 2nd post about the v lightning and a normal vengeance and the pusat, its another misunderstanding

 

If Tartarus has taught anyone anything it is that speed of ships should not be any higher than what they already are, of course ignoring the abomination that is the Tardarus(BP better hurry up with nerfing it or just a redesign cause there shouldn't be anything faster than the Pusat, just disrupts game balance and makes ships nearing pointless).


Now in regards to the Vengeance and the Pusat, I can't see much that BP can change about the Vengeance without getting close to making Pusat pointless. Why do I say that? Cause already Vengeance has more health, if BP did any of the following increase hp, speed or laser slots it would just be asking for people to start hunting Pusats in it... I would say just think of the vengeance as a more safe but less hard hitting fast ship.

Also of course no the Spearhead should not be able to out run a Pusat, it's a recon ship yes but that doesn't mean you can get close to the enemy with little to no danger... The spearhead already has tools at its disposal to easily do "recon", if you foolishly get too close to ships that know you are there that's your problem. Again just think about the Tardarus again, I could careless if the ship doesn't hit as hard there should be no ship that has no threats at the speed level. If they were to introduce a suicidal speed recon ship then they would need a suicidal hit and run ship to be able to pose a threat to it, kind of sounds like a more extreme version of what is already Spearhead and the Pusat doesn't it? Though then Tardarus came and took a crap over everything...

 

Agreed, tartarus made into the industry and stole the lime light from the pusat.

well im not thinking of making the spearhead something faster than a star fighter but i do like to have the vengeance a revival in the game, i know that the Pusat is a good choice for hunting in terms of speed, and damage but why bother having that vengeance? for a quick test for newbies to try it out? whats the point if they would just go ahead and pick the goliath instead of the vengeance.

im not trying to force out the vengeance to be popular again, i just want to have a good balanced number of ships being used by players but im not forcing them to use vengeance if they dont want to.

every ship type in the game should be used because of their role, but those roles are now useless that when it comes to speed, over all firepower and toughness people will still choose surgeon, it disintegrated every use of role ships in the game. (aegis is still the best when in groups, instant heal, instant win on pvp fights

dont worry about tardarus its a ship for fun and collection of bonus boxes it wont win against a surgeon in 1v1 because its the slowest ship in the game, bigboy is much faster than that

 

I not misunderstanding.
In my opinion, I want to help you to what you said wasBecause you are thinking of the revenge and push in the UBA and in common maps:
Nano hull and load (you have in normal maps more can not use in UBAs)

 

i have never said anything related to the arena "UBA" you said it on your own.

im not comparing the vengeance as a leonov type ship.

 

no,im not compraring the vengeance as a leonov type ship.
The leonov has advantages plus the null hull of it is 64,000 without advantage even for the base maps.
And on the normal maps of nano hull fill any ship with energies in ggs to use them, and you can use to protect yourself.
Type venceance (current):
Hp: 180,000 and 180,000 nano hull (360,000)
Pusat (current):
Hp: 125,000 and 125,000 nano hull (250,000)
The skiltree of +50,000 hp is only added in HP and nothing in nano hul for ships.