[UI] Rethink the surgeon design

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  1. I've had my surgeon for a few weeks now, would have had it longer if it was attainable without spending £70 but nevermind.

    The main thing I have noticed is that now I'm running this, there is a 99% chance I will never run any other design for standard game play. Yes in uba/jpa I will use skill designs, but for standard game play the 6% damage combined with the additional generator slot for speed means every other goliath design will never get used by myself and I'm sure many others. It is just too good compared to the other designs for play within the standard maps.

    Looking at the new euros event, if the champion design had the generator slot, I'd buy it in an instant and happily fly an england design. But without that I never will, which is a shame since BP don't get my money, and I don't get the shiny new ship.

    For the sake of all goliath designs, please nerf the surgeon, speed was something that should have never been tampered with.
     
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  2. USS-Aries

    USS-Aries User

    Seems to be a contradiction, on one hand you say you would buy the champion if it had the extra slot then you say nerf the surgeon has the speed should not have been tampered with.
     
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  3. That is what the OP is saying. As in why go to a slower ship... Now everyone is after a Surgeon and upon getting it, few players will use anything else. Which makes me ask, is the added damage for everything, or just for pvp? I know, don't hijack but the damage was brought up.

    Back to the OP's point though, if they kept the 15 gens standard, it would still be an awesome design/ship.
     
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  4. apetown.

    apetown. User

    It is sadly true that now as surgeon is faster, players underrate the skill designs at maps. My personal surgeon usage: Im using surgeon maybe 40% from time. Yeah most of people owning surgeon dont use mostly any other designs - so why do i use surgeon so little? Because skill designs are so much better! Yeah surgeon is faster but its really nothing, just put ice and dcr rockets to your quickslot and no more running surgeons.

    It was aid in twitch that surgeon is meant to be like it is - an unique goliath design.

    In end its not better than the rest of goli designs, its up to user.

    Does surgeon need to be nerfed? No. Just learn to counter runner"fighters" properly.

    The damage bonus is applied to everything.
     
  5. Good point, my meaning is if the surgeon stays as it is, new designs need to compete with it for speed, without that advantage they don't compare. So if the surgeon keeps its speed, new ships need to compete, if not then no more generator slots.

    Sorry ape, I don't know how to do the multi-quote response, but this is with regards to your statement.
    The skill designs still do have their merits, the spectrum is good for lower level players as an option to just run to safety. The deminisher and venom, get beat for damage percentage, and since everyone always uses the counters to their abilities they are useless now. That means the surgeon has the 1% damage advantage and generator so, speed/shields. Thus it wins. The solace I've never really rated since the aegis took over group repairing, so I can't comment on it. The only one left is the sentinel, and very few players stick around for 2mins during its ability so in my eyes why not run the surgeon.

    A fully tooled goli beats aegis/citadel, so its just easier in a surgeon. And just for finalisation: all designs that only give 5% damage no special abilities are beaten, the 10% shield deisgns with no abilities are beaten. The only ones with a chance could potentially be the vanquisher etc, but since their bonus is only against enemy companies it you lose against waring same company surgeons which fill the maps these days.

    I just think that, the 6% damage and exp/hon are enough, removing the generator slot would bring back use of alot of designs.
     
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  6. OrbitGuru

    OrbitGuru User

    far as im concerned once they touch slots theyre really just making a new ship. pusat especially isnt a vengie anymore, even if its flown the same way. proof in point, the new hangar system, cant switch equipment from any other vengie design to a pusat can you?
     
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  7. apetown.

    apetown. User

    You really stick to the 1% and gen slot.. pls

    Theres so many tools to stop anybody from running (ice rocket, dcr rocket, slowmines, wheel formation, infection ammo, infectionmines...) , use them. Like i said, no needs to nerf surgeon - surgeon is no way op design.

    And if surgeon gets out of range to run, remember that you can do all the same repairing what he does ^^
     
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