War and leaving clan before dying

Hello friends and Admins
i think along with me many players feels annoying about this issue that we declare war on a clan of same company and while fighting we shoot 1st and they fight until they come to die they leave clan and gives - honor .

So as i was thinking that there should be new update regarding leaving clan that a member can leave clan any time but his leaving will be in such way that after he leaves clan their will be a time of 30 min or something to leave clan its like applying to leave and the leave will be granted by auto system and of kicking a member they do the same 1 guy is fighting while leaders wait to kick them out on both side it should be same they leaders will kick and the system will auto dismiss that member after 30 min .

I am saying all this because i had 600 mill honor and i was rank 1 in hall of fame and now down to 400 mil and rank 2 -_- this issue is causing alot problem in many servers we are not able to have proper war cause of it.

So i hope admins will think about it

 

From personal experience they will do nothing and tell you "tough luck".

This is going back about 6-7 months:
I had my honor taken off me by people cloaking up in phoenix and sitting under my cube and waiting for my kamikaze to kill them, I went outlaw in a few mins because I didn't have the window open that shows my honor.
I went from Basic General to Outlaw.
I asked for my honor back, the funny part is, it was initially given to me but to wrong amount, I was still missing 100,000,000, at that point they turned around as said nope, you can't actually have it.

3 months later they change kamikaze so that it doesn't cause splash damage to your own non-war company members, so in effect they admit it was wrong in the first place.
Again I asked for honor back since they had since changed to system so it won't happen to others but left people like me still missing millions of rank points that should in reality still be ours.
Surprise, surprise it was a no and they told me to email BigPoint if I had any concerns, giving me an email address which received no replies after multiple attempts.
When I email again to support to ask about the address I had been given they told me stop emailing us now as it is classed as spam and "we will suspend your account", lovely.

So in short, if it's anything to go off my experience, they will fix the game's problem but not fix your account. I suppose in their eyes 2,000,000 rank points is nothing, nobody will care that it was effectively taken from you.

 

They should do something about it, I lost a bit of honor from this too, and okapi, if you wrote support they gave honor back, my friend lost all his honor and support gave it back because the issue was un-called for, he got it ALL back, not just a bit. And then soon a solution was brought up.

 

It was myself and the EIC general who were both effected by it, neither of us ever got it back, we were both in TGC and both got the exact same responce.

"We should be more careful with using kamikaze on cubes" - before the kamikaze fix.
"We cannot go back and give back everyone the lost honor from 3 months ago" - after the fix.

They made it very clear to us that we would not be getting it back, ever.
Glad your friend didn't come across sort of answers, can I ask how much he lost?

Maybe it was because we were effected months before the solution came out but there was no way DO support were willing to give us both 150 - 200mil back.

 

Hello. I'm by your side. Some time ago I had the same problem. Someone that I have war with left the clan when I was killing him. I think that's not right to leave it when you want. 2 seconds and that is. You aren't in that clan any more.

 

There is a simple answer to this:-

Stop warring company clans

Hopefully the strategy will make the stronger clans thing twice about starting wars and actually go and fight enemy companies rather than their own weaker clans.

 

They are obviously going for his honor, what is to stop them sending war to him then leaving their own clan and so it just goes on and on?

Is he expected never to fight or be forced to leave his own clan because of this?

I also highly doubt you would be all too happy if a group of players had targeted you and made you lose over 2,000,000 rank points.

 

Exactly that,
if the stronger players went to enemy maps and hunted enemy, then the weaker clans would not be able to do this so easily. Then we can start building company team work, rather than the lame company wars that are writhe these days.

If you don't pop your own company ships you will not loose honour.

 

Hahaha you cannot be serious? Please tell me this is just a really bad joke?

He was first on the server, they have obviously targeted him because of this and gone out their way to destroy his honor which he has spent considerable amount of money on.
People should not be allowed to destroy someone else's account like this, its malicious play, you think people playing like that is better than a war??


Also, did you know that they can send war to him too? It's not a one way thing, think of the bigger picture.
Lets image your ship was even remotely high in the ranks, you spend a few thousand on it to get where it is, then a group of player send war to you and do this tactic. Just because you had a disagreement in chat or whatever, maybe they just want to see a big account fall.
You either fight them, lose your honor or spend the rest of your days running away in fear of losing your rankpoints to them.

I'll say it again, you think playing like that is better than a war?

 

I am Absolutely serious.!!
Clan wars are getting out of hand, because stronger players think that clan wars give easy kills.
The strategy will hopefully make stronger players think twice about pop own company ships. If not the player understands the consequences.

Any player that is loosing significant honour must know they have a high company kill count.
It is totally within their control to stop popping own company ships, until their count is down to an acceptable level.

As I say, you don't need to run from them, just go hunt enemy in the enemy maps.

If its a real issue then just leave the clan for a couple of week, to get the count down to an acceptable level.
Players can stop being the aggressor, if they are worried about their own company kill count. Just treat all company ships as if they are not in a clan, so don't shoot unless fired upon and if the other ship stops shooting, stop shooting so you don't get caught with -honour
No one can force a player to kill there own company ships.
I'll say it again, If you don't pop your own company ships you will not loose honour.

 

I see your point, people should ideally work together etc, but the flaw of that is the word people, we can't all agree on things.

The way I am taking it, you want the war feature removed. I just don't think thats feasible, it's a main part of PvP in this game, if you want to make a clan change company then you send a war.

Have you never sent a war before? In tears upon years of playing DO you never sent a single war, even if the reason was justified?

Maybe people shouldn't send war just for more kills but this situation is so much bigger than that, it's players being able to destroy another players rank. On their screen they see a red clan tag but when they kill the war-player it turns out they are not at war and so he he loses honor.

In this instance, yes he may be the aggressor, we don't even know the motives for war.
What if he sent war to a clan of company killers? Maybe he was trying to get rid of them to make his own company a better place to be.

What if he war sending war to the very king of clan you are describing? A clan that sends war to be the aggressor but only targets the small clans and so he is sticking up for the small ones?


At the end of the day his motivation for war should not matter, this ability to take away somebodies honor like this should not exist.
Players should not be able to dictate how he plays his game and force him to run away from war clans he could easily kill.

 

I am not suggesting anything is changed.

As I say once again "If you don't pop your own company ships, you will not loose honour."

Continually popping own company players is not an honourable pursuit. Why should it not remove honour?

Why should bullies get away with ruining the game for the weaker players in their own company?
This strategy gives the stronger players a choice, they can continue to pop own company ship and run the risk of getting - honour, or work out better ways to play the game, working with their own company rather than against it.

To the question "Have you never sent a war before? In tears upon years of playing DO you never sent a single war, even if the reason was justified? "
No, I have never sent a war. I would rather work thought the issue.

In fact after becoming FE I have only ever had an issue with one player and that player was in a top EIC clan, I discussed the issue with his clan leader, and said I would not shoot first, but if he shoot I will return fire and I will not fight any other members of the clan. I popped him 4 times and did not loose any honour as he was the aggressor. After the 4 kills he decided he had had enough and we had a laugh about it and all was good.

 

"We don't even know the motives for war.
What if he sent war to a clan of company killers? Maybe he was trying to get rid of them to make his own company a better place to be.

What if he war sending war to the very king of clan you are describing? A clan that sends war to be the aggressor but only targets the small clans and so he is sticking up for the small ones?"
- Copied from previous post.

Would you criticize a player for either of those reasons for sending war?

As I have mentioned before, have you ever considered this as the bigger picture?
It gives malicious players to hurt other people's accounts without the victim doing anything wrong.

You are too set in one frame of mind, that this can only possibly happen to strong players trying to pick on the weak!

1. Malicious players send war to high ranking player.
2. High ranking player defends himself.
3. Malicious players let him kill them whilst leaving clan mid-fight.
4. High ranking player gets punished for it.

You can't see anything wrong with that?

 

He said he lost 24mil and they gave it all back to him, saying it was an issue that needed to be addressed and such.

Also to pacman, some clans send war, then when can't handle the pressure they ditch to make you lose honor, 6 months ago, a clan whom botted all the time thought they were big and bad, sent me war, and I ended up smashing 3 of them while they failed to hug the base. one of them ended up leaving the clan just before I popped him. we should get positive honor if the tag shows red in game on our screen though, DO needs to work on it.

 

quote="Okapi32, post: 54178, member: 1448"]"We don't even know the motives for war.
What if he sent war to a clan of company killers? Maybe he was trying to get rid of them to make his own company a better place to be.

If their is a company killer then get the company to work together to sort it out. The vast majority of the time the wars are about kills and bullying.
What if he war sending war to the very king of clan you are describing? A clan that sends war to be the aggressor but only targets the small clans and so he is sticking up for the small ones?"
- Copied from previous post.

Same answer as above. Also if the other clan is popping own company ships then use the same strategy on them. They wont do it for long.
Would you criticize a player for either of those reasons for sending war?

No I would not criticize, I would suggest they work with the company if the company feel something need to be done then get the company to sort it out as a group, rather than bullying.


As I have mentioned before, have you ever considered this as the bigger picture?
It gives malicious players to hurt other people's accounts without the victim doing anything wrong.

I have Absolutely considered this as the bigger picture. I would question whether you have?
The game is dying in the most part, because the average player has little chance of competing. If a player / clan is not even safe from its own company then it is a sad state of affairs.

You are too set in one frame of mind, that this can only possibly happen to strong players trying to pick on the weak!

Absolutely not I would say it is you that is "too set in one frame of mind"

1. Malicious players send war to high ranking player.
2. High ranking player defends himself.
If the player is only defending himself he will not loose honour as he will not be the aggressor and can stop shooting if the other player stops.
3. Malicious players let him kill them whilst leaving clan mid-fight.
See above.
4. High ranking player gets punished for it.
If the high ranking player stops shooting if the other player stops then he will not loose honour
You can't see anything wrong with that?
I can see a better solution which will be good for the company rather than the individual bullies.
Work with the company rather than warring weaker clans.
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If your cause is just then work with the company to sort it out. Then a single player will not end up with massive negative honour.
If we do not look after the weak players in our company then it is a pretty sad state of affairs.
The strategy will make stronger players reconsider the best option to deal with an issue, but if they just want to bully weaker clans, then they may end up loosing a lot of honour.

If they give back lost honour then the bullies can just pop anyone in their company then say they have lost honour because of the strategy.

 

I don't think you understand how it works, if they leave the clan he will lose honour regardless. That's the whole point of it. It's so incredibly easy for them to trick players into losing their honour.

I don't know what version of DO you are playing but this game isn't a utopia and the pinicle of democracy, a whole company can't band together, especially if there are language barriers on global servers.
You can't just ask a company to "work together to sort it out". When you are in a clan you have to take matters into your whole clan because surprise, surprise not everyone in the company will agree with you, some will side with the company killers.

So we just allow the people who try to help company get screwed over instead? Brilliant.
"It's ok, we'll screw over clans who want to help their company in the hope that all the other players will magically band together for the first time ever in DO history"

Oh come on, give me a break! I'm explaining how to you on how this can go in so many directions and it isn't just set in stone, you on the other hand are making generalizations.

You don't even care about what happens to the good players who are effected by this! - The vast majority of the time the wars are about kills and bullying. - That right there is you being stuck in one mind set, you want to just cast aside a chunk of players and let them be punished by other players for trying to help out their company!

You are happy for players to lose their honor that they have spend money and time building in the vein hope that people across all different languages, equipment capability and motives will band together to get rid of what could be 1 player or a clan of UFE.
Maybe if you pay them to do it yeah, that might work ...

 

As okapi said this is not some kind of utopia, my server is mainly spanish to begin with, if you say one thing to a clan, those nerds take it as an insult, and go nuts, then you're spammed with more wars, then more people leaving their clans because they can't take the pressure.

 

quote="Okapi32, post: 54440, member: 1448"]I don't think you understand how it works, if they leave the clan he will lose honour regardless. That's the whole point of it. It's so incredibly easy for them to trick players into losing their honour.

" I don't think you understand how it works " When a player has a high own company ship kill count "If you don't pop your own company ships, you will not loose honour."
It is so incredibly easy for the stronger player to stop warring own company ship when their ship kill count is to high.


I don't know what version of DO you are playing but this game isn't a utopia and the pinicle of democracy, a whole company can't band together, especially if there are language barriers on global servers.
The solution is completely within the control of the individual player.
"If you don't pop your own company ships, you will not loose honour."


You can't just ask a company to "work together to sort it out". When you are in a clan you have to take matters into your whole clan because surprise, surprise not everyone in the company will agree with you, some will side with the company killers.

Surprise, surprise if the company does not agree with what you are doing, maybe it is the individual or clan that need to rethink its strategy.
"If you don't pop your own company ships, you will not loose honour."

It is Ironic that we are discussing players loosing honour from killing own company ships, then you mention "company killers" as being an issue that these player are warring. So I guess you are siding with the company killer, just a different one.

So we just allow the people who try to help company get screwed over instead? Brilliant.
"It's ok, we'll screw over clans who want to help their company in the hope that all the other players will magically band together for the first time ever in DO history"

We both know that the majority of this issue is because the stronger players are warring company clan unnecessarily for rank, or bullying.
The simple solution is, if a clan is warring their own company, use the strategy to encourage them to stop.

Oh come on, give me a break! I'm explaining how to you on how this can go in so many directions and it isn't just set in stone, you on the other hand are making generalizations.

Oh come on, give me a break! I've explain that it is within the control of the individual. They know when their ship kill count is getting to high, so they have a choice. They do not need to carry on doing the same thing and loosing more honour.
"If you don't pop your own company ships, you will not loose honour."

You don't even care about what happens to the good players
You are so completely of the ball here. I care very much about the good players. The good players are not necessarily the player that are loosing load of honour for popping own company ships.

who are effected by this! - The vast majority of the time the wars are about kills and bullying. -

The player loosing honour has a choice and can change strategy to stop loosing honour. However the players that are bullied by their own company did not until now.

That right there is you being stuck in one mind set,
you want to just cast aside a chunk of players and let them be punished by other players for trying to help out their company!

What? it is you being stuck in one mind set. it is you that want to cast aside a chunk of players that were not able to defend them selves from their own company.
If it is a case of helping the company deal with individual or clans then use the strategy on that clan that is being the aggressor, not precipitate the issues by stronger clan warring weaker clans.


It is normal these days, that there is more fighting talk in the company chat rooms, than there is in the global chat room.
Hopefully the strategy will turn that around so that companies start warring each other again, rather than so many company wars. Now that would be good for the majority of players in the company and would help to include weaker clans rather than bullying them.

I will also note, that you seem to be aiming your points at me rather than arguing your point on its merit. That normal happens when a person is loosing the debate. I have used your words in such instances so you can see how it is coming across.
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You have a choice, you can change strategy "If you don't pop your own company ships, you will not loose honour."
From your post it may be your approach that need reconsidering. You post "those nerds take it as an insult" I would suggest if this is how you think, then they may be right, that you are insulting them?

 

I don't directly insult them. My point if you would read it more. They take everything as an insult, and think just because they are a bunch of botted high ranked ships/clans, they can do what they want. No. You tell them "Your member was shooting me for no reason, if he continues, I will have to pop him" their response "blah blah blah, we don't make sense when we speak, *curse word curse word* war." that is how their posts come back as. Therefor their a bunch of Spanish nerds. I just got done bashing the ranked 6th clan, now ranked 12 because I made a ton of them leave in one night for their ignorance of shooting on a leo noob in uppers from our clan just for his npcs.

 

My point is, if you read your post, it would seem you don't even realise all the insults and racist comments.
It would also seem, if you put as much energy into warring the enemy companies you would be doing more for your company than " bashing " you own company clans.

"for their ignorance of shooting on a leo noob in uppers from our clan just for his npcs." If your clans are at war what do you expect they do? Help your clan leo noob with their npcs?
Simple tell the players that are being bullied to let the bullies kill them and use the strategy if they are in a clan at war.
Then in no time the instigators of the bullying will have negative honour and will not be able to carry on killing own company ships. Or will realise it is better to kill the enemy company ships.
Now that sounds like a plan that will solve the problem, rather than perpetuating the problem of company wars.